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 Subject :Wireless Rig Control?.. 2012-10-12- 09:28:40 
KD4E
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I'd like to control my recently-acquired Yaesu FT-450D wirelessly via HSMM-Mesh.

Is this possible?  We have an emcomm app here that needs this.

There doesn't seem to be much out there about wireless rig control using 220, 440, 900, etc and although distance is a challenge HSMM-Mesh seems a natural.

May I use flrig or some other Linux-friendly rig-control app?

I read that something like this was done in El Paso but didn't find details.

Thanks!

David

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 Subject :Re:Wireless Rig Control?.. 2012-10-13- 17:19:16 
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From the ARRL VHF Digital Handbook: For more details about using HSMM radio for remote control of stations, see the article "Remote-Control HF Operation over the Internet," by Brad Wyatt, K6WR, QST November 2001, p 47-48
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 Subject :Re:Wireless Rig Control?.. 2012-11-25- 11:25:08 
KD4E
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Thanks for the suggestion. That article is about Internet remote control - I am looking for 100% wireless remote control & operation via HSMM-Mesh. Perhaps only a distance of 50-100', perhaps several miles, this to support Emcomm where the HF antenna (therefore the rig) has to be variably remote-located from the command post. 73, KD4E David
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 Subject :Re:Wireless Rig Control?.. 2012-12-30- 05:56:37 
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David,

I control my FT-897D over my mesh here using Ham Radio Deluxe. I have a USB to serial adapter (PL2303) plugged into my K5KTF-USB modified node, then running ser2net on the node and a similar serial-over-IP driver for Windows, I can control the radio completely.

What I lack right now is some form of VoIP/audio solution from the USB sound dongle on -USB and the radio back to the Windoze PC. If anyone has suggestions on that, Id be glad to give it a shot.

KTF


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 Subject :Re:Wireless Rig Control?.. 2012-12-30- 05:58:21 
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P.S. I know that Dave AD5OO has his Kenwood rig that has a built in IP interface fully controllable from a laptop via the mesh. But I guess the Kenwood is setup to do that natively. KTF
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 Subject :Re:Wireless Rig Control?.. 2012-12-31- 04:38:20 
KD4E
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I'm a Linux-only guy but good to know others ae doing rig control. I found a way to do the same as you via Linux but am also stymied by the SSB side of things.
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 Subject :HF Rig Control.. 2013-03-21- 00:15:18 
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One of the possibilities I have been mulling over is controlling an FT-950/450 Yaesu rig and routing the audio bidirectionally. Both rigs use legacy RS-232 interfaces. They can be converted easily enough to an ethernet interface. The command and control interface at the desk can easily be routed.

I planned on routing using a different set of ip addresses at each end point.  Thus the HF rig end would have an interface for Command & Control using an IP address for example of 172.10.20.10 while the distant end audio would be routed via an interface with a second address of 172.10.20.20.  At the desktop end the Command & Control as well as the audio link would have separate IP addresses. Since I am a newby I wanted to check the braintrust and see if they could elaborate on potential landmines with this scheme.

The audio is another beast with which to deal. The good news is it is half duplex. I have looked for hardware solutions that convert audio to data vice versa and have noted that most hardware solutions are oriented towards the Broadcast end of business. New off the shelf low end stuff is priced around the $350.00 range minimum which for someone with the middle name of Tightus-Wadus is a little hard to justify.

I examined the possibility of using VOIP but ran head-on into the SIP server. If the SIP server was a simple thing such as launching an app which required no admin efforts I would not be particularly adverse to adding the overhead. However the ones I looked at had more user settable features than Carter has Little Liver Pills. While I enjoy twiddling knobs, flipping switches and making LEDs blink the last thing I want to do is to engage software-hardware that comes with a 50,000 page user manual were each setting will ripple through and affect the way other settings HAVE to be set to obtain proper operation. (LAZY?) Besides having to run a SIP server seems like a lot of overhead for a simple function.

One software solution that looks like a possibility is Broadwave Streaming Audio. The price is tolerable ($49.00) but it will mean having to place a computer at the distant end as opposed to a simple unit like the LANTRONIX RS-232 to Ethernet Converter for handling the command and control.

Has anyone actually routed audio via ip on a WRT54 mesh setup to date? What kind of latency, dropout problems, spurious pops, whistles, and other annoyances were noted if any?

Where am I planning on going with this? My station at home is able to run on emergency power. I want to be able to operate the basic rig remotely. Additionally I would like to add the ability to remotely control the antenna tuner, and if gravy permits the antenna rotor. This would all be done three to four blocks away from the residence and if the infrastructure permitted even further. I anticipate that power will not be readily available at the distant site unless I provide it. It would be easier to run a laptop and WRT54 on battery than it would to drag around the generator and a dipole.

Suggestions?  Thanks


Chuck WD4HXG

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 Subject :Re:Wireless Rig Control?.. 2013-04-04- 07:34:28 
KD4E
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Forum deleting posts not run through Preview ... again ... arghhhh! Here is my reply ... retyped ... You may look at HTML5 re. streaming audio since you don't have to manage accounts & multiple contacts, etc. VoIP/SIP does seem to be overkill. Also, what about a 900MHz link for the audio? Perhaps a pair of surplus Motorola i570's from the Sprint-abandoned Nextel service in "MotoTalk/DirectTalk" mode? Adding a second radio link complicates on one hand but jumps you past the audio hassle in the near-term as you work on an integrated Broadband-Hamnet alternative.
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 Subject :Re:Wireless Rig Control?.. 2013-04-04- 12:38:02 
wd4hxg
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Thanks David for the ideas. During the interim have been looking for solutions. Speaking of overkill the search kept running into setup of SIP servers. While not impossible it just seems painful. I had hoped to find a hardware solution that was not in the budget busting category. It may happen in the form of the Raspberry PI. Small unit, runs a full tilt Linux load and lots of flexibility for the inept op like me. There was some info on point to point ip audio using iPhones and/or Droids without sip services but dang both are pricey. The drawback with any hardware solution is it is another physical item to track and keep broken connectors/cables fixed. There is some software out there for streaming audio which is appealing. Will see which is easier. HTML intimidates me and it seems to be a continuing ever changing item. It is more a moving target than a hyperactive Texas Jackrabbit on the run. For me things like HTML and C programming are like walking into the Twilight Zone only to stumble into Rod Searling. I kind of gave up on the recycled commercial radio gear (Motorola and others). No doubt it is good gear built like the proverbial brick outhouse but locating the bits and pieces to make it work always seems to me to be a major effort. Guess I am to much like an electron seeking the path of least resistance. The electron has the advantage. Have to run. Again thanks for the ideas. I can always clutter up my aging mind with more software. :-)
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 Subject :Re:Wireless Rig Control?.. 2013-04-04- 12:38:06 
wd4hxg
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Thanks David for the ideas. During the interim have been looking for solutions. Speaking of overkill the search kept running into setup of SIP servers. While not impossible it just seems painful. I had hoped to find a hardware solution that was not in the budget busting category. It may happen in the form of the Raspberry PI. Small unit, runs a full tilt Linux load and lots of flexibility for the inept op like me. There was some info on point to point ip audio using iPhones and/or Droids without sip services but dang both are pricey. The drawback with any hardware solution is it is another physical item to track and keep broken connectors/cables fixed. There is some software out there for streaming audio which is appealing. Will see which is easier. HTML intimidates me and it seems to be a continuing ever changing item. It is more a moving target than a hyperactive Texas Jackrabbit on the run. For me things like HTML and C programming are like walking into the Twilight Zone only to stumble into Rod Searling. I kind of gave up on the recycled commercial radio gear (Motorola and others). No doubt it is good gear built like the proverbial brick outhouse but locating the bits and pieces to make it work always seems to me to be a major effort. Guess I am to much like an electron seeking the path of least resistance. The electron has the advantage. Have to run. Again thanks for the ideas. I can always clutter up my aging mind with more software. :-)
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 Subject :Re:Wireless Rig Control?.. 2013-04-04- 12:44:07 
KD4E
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Here is a site running WebSDR under HTML5 & no Java needed for the Waterfall or Audio ... perhaps some ideas? http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/

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