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Subject :Re:Re:Solar power and wrt54g..
2014-04-04- 16:22:34
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How we used HSMM-MESH™
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Solar power and wrt54g
I agree with KB7SVP's methodology, though it will specify a big system. Figuring on 500 mA continuously, that's 12 Ah a day, or 60 Ah for 5 days. To discharge 50%, that means a 120 Ah battery. At an average of 4 hours of sun a day (the equivalent of the panels putting out full power for 4 hours), you'd need about 15 amps of panel to replenish the charge lost to the router (assuming just the 60 Ah). Take a look at what the use case is. If you want continuous operation from solar, you're looking at a system like that. It should be pretty reliable, and might very well be cheaper/easier than bringing the grid into a remote location. How many days do you want to be able to go without sun? (I'd probably pick 3 myself.) On the other hand, if you want to be able to run the node on a temporary basis, you can get by with something a lot smaller, especially if you'll be using it in a sunny location during the day. Remember that lead-acid batteries don't like to sit around at a lower state of charge - it would be preferable to bring it to full at the end of the day. The charge controllers KB7SVP refers to are called maximum power-point tracking (MPPT) controllers, and are basically switching buck converters. They use a microprocessor to search for the duty cycle that puts the most current into the battery, and as a side effect can take a higher voltage array which is nice. They are of course a little more expensive, but for a system around the size of what I described they're not a bad investment. In general, a lot of the smaller controllers also have a built-in low-voltage disconnect (LVD) option for shutting loads off when the battery gets too low.
[KB7SVP 2014-03-27- 16:54:04]: First find out what the power draw is of the device while it is being
used.
I would suggest sizing the battery such that it can handle the
power draw for 5 days, without a charge, and without discharging itself
beyond 50% discharged.
I would also suggest sizing the solar array so that it can recharge the
discharged battery bank within one days worth of sun. Use midwinter for figuring
out the amount of time that would be in your area.
Install a low voltage drop out device. Your battery is going to be the most
expensive part, so protecting it from being over drawn is worth investing into.
Consider one of the charge controllers that can take higher voltage panels and drop
it down to what your battery will use. Lots of 240W panels with 30+ V for sale now with very attractive pricing, under $1 per watt.
Sizing the battery and solar array in this fashion will keep you on the air
reliably. Configure for worse case scenario, 5 days of clouds, midwinter, etc.
For 24/7 operations off of solar power, you end up building something that might
at first blush look way overbuilt. |
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Subject :Re:IRC (Chat) Software Location?..
2014-04-04- 03:21:48
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Applications
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IRC (Chat) Software Location?
Finally home from travels. I did as you specified and it loaded and runs as advertised. Thank you very much. It will be a very useful addition to our mesh. Ron, N1AHH. |
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Subject :Re:BEFW11S4 (linksys)..
2014-04-04- 02:20:38
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AG6QO |
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Hardware
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BEFW11S4 (linksys)
Thanks for the info. I'll look at Ubiquiti.
J |
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Subject :Re:BEFW11S4 (linksys)..
2014-04-03- 19:02:20
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Hardware
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BEFW11S4 (linksys)
Ubiquiti is also an option. Available from many sources including Amazon. Key Notes Ubiquiti is weather resistant and specced to harsh outdoor conditions with limited to no loss (direct antenna connection) In addition Ubiquiti has a more sensitive receiver and more powerful transmitters. If you are buying new gear I recommend looking into them. Some models even come with built in high gain antennas.
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Subject :Re:BEFW11S4 (linksys)..
2014-04-03- 16:58:12
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AG6QO |
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Hardware
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BEFW11S4 (linksys)
Oh. Wow. I thought the wrt54g's were post-production and probably only 2nd-hand. That was three generations ago on my home wifi. Anyway, thanks for the info. Will be ordering a few. 73, Joe
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Subject :Re:Help us gather info on UBNT Devices..
2014-04-03- 13:10:59
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Subject :Re:What, if anything, keeps the bad guys out?..
2014-04-03- 10:39:23
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General
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What, if anything, keeps the bad guys out?
Okay, I’ll take a crack at this…
1) You’re right, it was really no different back then. When there was an offending ham (or non-ham for that matter) we exercised out T-hunting skills and tracked him down; reported him to the FCC and they slapped a fine on him. If you didn’t do that, you could count on the next joker coming along to do the same thing. We didn't put up with this back then and we don't today.
Doing the same thing in a mesh environment isn’t as easy. The FCC today isn’t generally bothered by once-off incidents like this, so you are much better served by a technological solution… as is being discussed.
2) The big difference is, that with a key you can---if your Emcomm mission justifies it---change it to a unique code which you can then distribute/deploy secretly.
3) So now you want to plan on non-trained people becoming a part of a network that needs to work in an emergency? Not a good plan. While they may be able to “legally” operate in an emergency, they would not be able to train for that purpose.
Summary
We talk about mesh as easy to implement and become a part of… just have a bunch of hams show-up for the party after the earthquake or tornado hits. In reality, providing network backup services for the Emergency Operations Center or local trauma center is serious business. You will only be able to do that if your mesh is well planned and hardened and the hams that operate it are fully trained and exercise that training routinely. Having untrained people show-up with mesh nodes will likely be more problematic than helpful. So the ability to control participation can be critical.
Andre, K6AH |
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Subject :Re:BEFW11S4 (linksys)..
2014-04-03- 10:27:26
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wx5u |
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Joined: 2013-01-02- 00:30:45
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Hardware
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BEFW11S4 (linksys)
BEFW11S4 appears to not be compatible. It has the wrong processor, among other things. You can buy brand new WRT54GL routers at Amazon, among other places. http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WRT54GL-Wireless-G-Broadband-Router/dp/B000BTL0OA
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Subject :Re:HSMM talk at Mississauga ARC on Feb 13..
2014-04-03- 07:12:06
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Ontario Canada
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HSMM talk at Mississauga ARC on May 28
Hi Nick,
Sorry for not coming back earlier, I've been quite busy in the last few months. If you want I could email you my presentation. Depending on your interest you might also join us building the network here in West GTA. The plan is to connect the adjacent repeaters to form the backbone. I know that is some distance from your place and you won't be able to connect at the first stage of the project, but you are still welcome to come and have fun experimenting with us. You can drop me a line at mymail@verevkin.it 73 Anthony
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Subject :Re:WRT54 power connector size..
2014-04-03- 06:29:55
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KD8USI |
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Problems & Answers
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WRT54 power connector size
it is a type n connector http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3807940 |
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Subject :Re:What, if anything, keeps the bad guys out?..
2014-04-03- 05:25:52
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va3idl |
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General
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What, if anything, keeps the bad guys out?
I wanted to add three points to the discussion:
1. It is still not very clear to me why we want to have more security today than we had in 70-s and 80-s (and that's not just about computers and electronics). If we compare BBHN to ham repeaters in 70-s, what has changed? Back then talking over the radio was popular both with hams and non-hams, and one could (technically, but not legally) just buy an FM radio and get on the ham repeater, have fun and/or cause interference. Not much has changed today with WiFi equipment. Why should we not be good today with what used to work back then in the similar situation?
2. We run the omni antenna at our repeater site, here in Mississauga, ON. This means that there is quite a number of hams who could connect to the tower from their house's roof, if they got interested in the technology. And we do want them to just connect, without getting in touch with someone from the club first. This means that even when using the key for BBHN, that is going to be whatever key comes with the image provided on this website. But this way the same key would be available to the new hams as well as the non-hams who were to google up the name and download the image.
3. I also wanted to mention that I once heard the opinion that because in Emergency situations, the law allows a non-ham to use radio frequency, the ham I was talking to wanted us to provide an easy plug-and-play access for non-hams to the network we build, in Emergency situations. This opinion is on the extreme far side of what you are discussing, but still has the right to be.
Having said all that, I would define my own opinion - we should definitely implement the back-off period after several unsuccessful password attempts to save us from the brute force attacks, and maybe add some more transparency and logging on who has connected where, but otherwise I would say we should not be looking at tightening the access to the network, but rather make sure we tighten access on the applications level. And hey, who said your fellow ham can not be the intruder? Also don't offer Internet to the mesh, cause that would be the #1 goal for the young hackers.
73 Anthony VA3IDL
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Subject :BEFW11S4 (linksys)..
2014-04-03- 04:51:25
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Hardware
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BEFW11S4 (linksys)
Does anyone know the lineage of this router/ap, BEFW11S4? Is it in any way compatible with the firmware here? Also, anyone know of a ready source for compatible routers? Joe AG6QO@AG6QO.#NCA.CA.USA.NOAM
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Subject :BEFW11S4 (linksys)..
2014-04-03- 04:51:21
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Hardware
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BEFW11S4 (linksys)
Does anyone know the lineage of this router/ap, BEFW11S4? Is it in any way compatible with the firmware here? Also, anyone know of a ready source for compatible routers? Joe AG6QO@AG6QO.#NCA.CA.USA.NOAM
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Subject :IRC Clients..
2014-04-02- 07:17:43
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Applications
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IRC Clients
Folks, We've received a couple of emails about Chatzilla not working with 'ngircd', more specifically using the Service URL provided by the BBHN node's status webpage. The issue is not with the proper URLs used by the node's status webpage but with Chatzilla, although Chatzilla is operating as designed. When an irc: URL is presented to Chatzilla (e.g. irc://ae5ae-base6:6667/mesh) and the hostname portion is not a fully qualified (ae5ae-base6 vs ae5ae-base6.local.mesh) then the hostname portion of the URL is then [mis]interpreted as an IRC Network name. These Network names point to the large IRC networks around the world such as Freenode, IRCnet, GalaxyNet, GamesNET, and many others. Since our node names probably won't match any of the network names that Chatzilla has embedded into it, the connection will fail. The internal list of IRC networks can be modified per the instructions at http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/#networks . I have used this info to update the internal tables of Chatzilla to allow my service URLs to point to the appropriate mesh nodes, at least for my mesh. The problem is that I would have to modify the Mozilla file for each new IRC server I want to access via a service URL from our nodes. Keep in mind that giving the command "/attach ae5ae-base6.local.mesh/mesh" to Chatzilla will work just fine and Chatzilla can work as nicely as an IRC client -- just not from a URL used to link to services on the mesh. I'm sorry if you're using Chatzilla but I am no longer recommending it as an IRC client. Please try my workarounds if you are using it. If those don't suit you then there are PLENTY of other IRC clients available for most every computer known to man. Yeah, IRC has been around for a bit! :-) -Rusty- |
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Subject :Re:IRC (Chat) Software Location?..
2014-04-02- 06:21:15
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Applications
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IRC (Chat) Software Location?
I thought I answered this before but... Using the node's Web pages, from
the status page press the [Setup] button and then click the Administration link.
In the section called "Package Management" use the pull down for "Download Package"
to select 'ngircd 20.2'. If the pull down is empty, press the [Refresh] button associated with the pulldown -- this will download the list of packages available.
Once selected press the [DOWNLOAD] button and given connectivity to the Internet and the BBHN servers you should have the 'ngircd' package installed and automagically setup and started running! Enjoy! |
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Subject :Re:Bullet M2 HP..
2014-04-02- 04:46:13
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Hardware
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Bullet M2 HP
This should help: http://ubnt.hsmm-mesh.org/products/BBHN/wiki/HowTo/FlashUbiquiti
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Subject :Re:Bullet M2 HP..
2014-04-02- 04:38:26
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KM2O |
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Hardware
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Bullet M2 HP
Am I missing something? I am now trying to set up a Bullet and an Airgrid but am not finding any step by step install data. The Ubiquity Install for Dummies manual is needed. Thanks for any help pointing me in the right direction. Dave KM2O
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Subject :Re:Propagation mapping for node deployment..
2014-04-02- 02:10:12
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Subject :Re:Re:Saratoga, Fremont, San Jose Mesh network plans..
2014-04-01- 12:10:56
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SFBay Area
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Saratoga, Fremont, San Jose Mesh network plans
I FINALLY got the right cable to hook up the antenna to my WRT-54g. Now if only it'd stop raining so I could try and see if I can reach anyone! :) |
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Subject :Re:Mesh nodes in Laurel, MD..
2014-04-01- 00:38:09
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Maryland
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Mesh nodes in Laurel, MD
Herein Frederick we are faced with pretty much the same problem. Take a look at using
Ubiquiti Devices
Ubiquiti firmware for the listed devices is available from the Software Download page, and properly interacts with BBHN 1.0.0 devices.
•Rocket M2
•Bullet M2 HP
•AirGrid M2 HP
•NanoStation Loco M2 (NSL-M2)
•NanoStation M2 (NS-M2)
These units are less than $100 each and can increase the distances. We are kick starting with 2.4 but I thnk we will build a backbone on either 3 or 5 GHZ. |
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