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 Subject :Re:Radio.. 2013-12-17- 01:45:00 
kv4pc
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Location: Madison, AL
 
Forum : Hardware
Topic : Radio

OFDM is permitted on 70 cm because it is an "Image Emission".

[From http://www.ntms.org/802.11/ARRL Board of Directors 2005.doc ]

OFDM Can Be Classified as an Image Emission

John Stevensen, KD6OZH in 2005 began development of a HSMM Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing (OFDM) Modem that will allow Radio Amateurs to have all –mode voice, text, data, and video (i.e., multimedia) high-speed digital communications on the VHF, UHF and SHF bands. Alpha testing of the OFDM modem was done in Texas using an ATV channel in the 70cm band operating in a digital “image mode” coined Amateur Digital Video (ADV).

In a January 2005 report to the ARRL board of directors, the HSMM Technology Task Force submitted the following concept as basis for such a 70 cm OFDM modem capable of Amateur Digital Video.

The 70 cm band is ideal for HSMM and, using the following interpretation of FCC regulations, we should be able to use OFDM modems with an occupied bandwidth up to 9 MHz (at least) on the 70 cm band. HSMM would be classified as an image emission type. This interpretation also allows 6 kHz (or more) bandwidth OFDM modems on the MF and HF amateur bands.

In 47 CFR 97.315 the emission type "image" is defined as including "emissions having B as the first symbol; 7, 8 or 9 as the second symbol; W as the third symbol".

In 47 CFR 2.201 (c) (2) a first symbol of B defines the type of modulation of the main carrier as an "emission in which the main carrier is amplitude-modulated (including cases where sub-carriers are angle-modulated) with independent sidebands". The OFDM modem fits this description as it has a central carrier with multiple subcarriers in the upper and lower sidebands that are angle (phase) modulated. In 47 CFR 2.201 (d) (5) a second symbol of 7 indicates that the nature of the signals modulating the main carrier are "two or more channels containing quantitized or digital information". 47 CFR 2.201 (d)(2) and (3) indicate that time-division multiplex is excluded for a single channel so the time division multiplex inherent in HSMM communications creates two or more channels. In 47 CFR 2.201 (e) (8) a third symbol of W indicates that the type of information to be transmitted is "a combination of the above" and that includes (4) "facsimile", (5) "data transmission, telemetry and telecommand", (6) "telephony" and (7) "television". HSMM fits this definition as it includes data, speech and image components.

In 47 CFR 97.305 "a station may transmit the following emission types on the frequencies indicated, as authorized to the control operator, subject to the standards specified in 97.307(f) of this part". The following table includes the "image" type for all bands and references 47 CFR 97.307 (f) (2) for the 160 m through 1.25 m bands but does not reference it for the 70 cm through 1 mm bands.

This is the only restriction on the image emission type and states that "the total bandwidth of an independent sideband emission (having B as the first symbol), or a multiplexed image and phone emission, shall not exceed that of a communications quality A3E emission". I can't find a definition for "communications quality" but it seems to be taken as 3 kHz on the MF and HF bands.

Thus OFDM modems using 6 kHz or less should be authorized on 225 MHz and below and OFDM modems with no bandwidth restriction on 420 MHz and above. If the emission must fit within the bandwidth used by existing analog image communication devices, that bandwidth would be 9 MHz for DSM AM ATV with a 4.5 MHz sound subcarrier.

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 Subject :Re:Getting involved. Let's build something... 2013-12-17- 01:43:34 
KJ4AJP
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Location: NW Tennessee EM56ni
 
Forum : Mid-south (MS/TN/AR)
Topic : Getting involved. Let's build something.

Hi all, looks like I'll be checking in on this forum along with following the Western KY folks on Facebook.

Here in Martin (Weakley County) TN, I have six BHv1 nodes set up.  I have two "robo-cams" that can go online as advertised services so remote users can control pan and tilt, and the gateway "service" node has a NAS with two 32G USB drives attached for filesharing.  The gateway also has a RasPBX with 3-digit internal dialing and a Google Voice trunk for PSTN access when online.  Outside inbound callers reach an auto-attendant which offers single-digit access to a particular node, each node has voicemail that can take a message when busy or unattended/offline.  When no internet connection to the gateway is available the PBX will act as a simple intercom for the phones at each node.

Antenna-wise, I currently have two 8dBi and three 12dBi mast-mount omnis, along with a 7dBi mag mount for a "mobile rover".  For a straight-line hop deployment, I have four 14dBi "backfire" yagis and four 24dBi parabolics.  Of course the antennas can be mixed & matched as the incident requires.

Power is through buck converters so theoretically I can put 8-24VDC into the PowerPole inputs and get a stable 12V or 5V out to the hardware.  I still keep the AC wall-warts labeled and in the bag if needed.

Although everything has been tested inside using the stock ducks, nothing is outside and "live" at this time.  I'm in a rural area where the trees are taller than the buildings and I haven't found anyone yet that's willing to offer 300' tower real estate for a $20 router.  Wink

Field-expedient masts and coax will be my final purchases, got to get through the holidays first.

73!

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 Subject :Re:HSMM with laptop-wifi or Tablet-Android.. 2013-12-17- 01:33:31 
kv4pc
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Location: Madison, AL
 
Forum : How we used HSMM-MESH™
Topic : BBHN with laptop-wifi and UBUNTU

Anyone who understands mesh radios can connect to our networks. As radio amateurs we are not allowed to use cryptographic means to secure the OLSR protocol which is the only method I am aware of available.

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 Subject :Re:OLSR Switch on Windows works to connect directly to the mesh... 2013-12-17- 01:28:56 
kv4pc
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Forum : Applications
Topic : OLSR Switch on Windows works to connect directly to the mesh.

The static IP is placed on the Windows WIFI interface that you intend to use.

I used 10.x.y.z where x.y.z are the decimal equivalents of the 3 least significant hex bytes of the MAC address to make an address to use.

I connect the interface to BroadbandHamnet-v1 first, then start OLSR Switch (it should start with Default.olsr). I look for the interface address in the OLSR Switch Interface list and check it. Then I hit save and start. I switch to the Nodes tab and in a few seconds the members on my mesh appear.

I can then ping or connect using 10.x.x.x addresses with relevant apps like IRC, Mumble, web browser, ssh, etc.

DNS does NOT work. OLSR Switch does not have the DNS Plugin. You might be able to use your 

hosts file:

%SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

to record DNS names on your mesh as a hack to fix this (I havent bothered).

IPV6 does NOT work. Version 5.6-r3 does not have IPV6.

But IPV4 using numerical addresses works just fine.

73;

Bob KV4PC

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 Subject :Re:HSMM with laptop-wifi or Tablet-Android.. 2013-12-17- 01:24:21 
sp2ong
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Forum : How we used HSMM-MESH™
Topic : BBHN with laptop-wifi and UBUNTU

Ok I will be try to setup my laptop and Andriod to connect with my WRT54G with HSMM firmware 1.0. It will be nice have to this. Because not all local ham radio operators must buy and use WRT54. We can setup local Mesh Nodes with WRT54 to cover local area use Hamnet network by hamradio operators. One problem for me is that anybody who install on own hardware olsr can connect to our network ?

73 Wladek sp2ong

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 Subject :Re:HSMM with laptop-wifi or Tablet-Android.. 2013-12-17- 01:05:27 
kv4pc
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Forum : How we used HSMM-MESH™
Topic : BBHN with laptop-wifi and UBUNTU

Yes. I posted about this a while back.

http://www.broadband-hamnet.org/hsmm-mesh-forums/view-postlist/forum-4-applications/topic-614-olsr-switch-on-windows-works-to-connect-directly-to-the-mesh.html

Works OK on windows except for DNS and IPV6. Im using the last version of OLSR-Switch that was posted as a binary by the olsr.org folk. I havent been able to successfully build the latest version which fixes IPV6.

I havent gotten it to work on Android because my devices are Motorola which has two issues - insufficient power available at the USB port (could try a powered hub and USB OTG adaptor), and rooting is required to activate ad-hoc mode. Some android devices dont have these issues.

73;

Bob KV4PC

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 Subject :BBHN with laptop-wifi and UBUNTU.. 2013-12-17- 00:12:09 
sp2ong
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Forum : How we used HSMM-MESH™
Topic : BBHN with laptop-wifi and UBUNTU

Hi,

Is it possible use laptop + wifi card or Tablet-Andriod with installed OLSR software to connect HSMM-Mesh local network ?


73 Waldek sp2ong

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 Subject :dual antennas, questions or ideas.. 2013-12-16- 23:13:25 
wx5u
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Location: Austin, TX
Forum : How we used HSMM-MESH™
Topic : dual antennas, questions or ideas

I don't think the data rate loss will be from antenna switching, it comes from the fact that your node is the relay between two other nodes.  It has to receive from one node, then transmit to the other node.   Antenna switching shouldn't matter much.

I would expect about 50% data rate when forwarding traffic from one node to another vs. originating or terminating the data.



[F5SFU 2013-12-10- 02:13:16]:

One question then ! the hardware switching is such that only one antenna is selected at a given time. If the 2 antenna cover, say 2 independent area, can we estimate the bandwidth loss if the firmware has to send data from one area to the other ? I'm guessing that firmware has no mean to know when a not heard node (belonging to the not selected antenna) will talk and then firmware has no way to anticipate antenna selection. I expect a ratio of much less than 0.5. Am I correct ? Anyway this is great we can do this, even the cost of bandwidth loss. 73, Alexandre

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 Subject :Bricked WRT54G what should I do?.. 2013-12-16- 22:39:05 
wx5u
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Location: Austin, TX
Forum : Hardware
Topic : Bricked WRT54G what should I do?

You're not the first one to report that removing the power overnight or for a few days unbricked a router.  It's worth a try.





[W5LMM 2013-12-16- 21:37:55]:

I bought a JTAG setup a while back, to use on 3 bricked WRT54GS I had, and after they had been sitting on the shelf for several (5-6) months, they were mysteriously Un-Bricked..... I was able to go ahead and flash them to my surprise, and they now work great.


Never had to go the JTAG route...


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 Subject :Re:dual antennas, questions or ideas.. 2013-12-16- 22:12:07 
W5LMM
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Location: Albuquerque, NM
 
Forum : How we used HSMM-MESH™
Topic : dual antennas, questions or ideas

I think the switching is done so fast it really does not matter.. Also, WiFi is a contention medium, so there are retries and collisions/drops anyway. The decision on which antenna port to use is based on signal strength at the time. I don't think it's a big issue in practice.
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 Subject :Re:Radio.. 2013-12-16- 21:46:47 
W5LMM
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Forum : Hardware
Topic : Radio

My thoughts on using 70cm as an alternate means of linking nodes into the mesh: Most of the traffic handled by a ham mesh (OTHER than video) would probably be ok. Don't use it as a backbone from one mesh group to another, but in a pinch it would be useful for connectivity when 2.4Ghz won't make it.
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 Subject :Re:Bricked WRT54G what should I do?.. 2013-12-16- 21:37:55 
W5LMM
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Location: Albuquerque, NM
 
Forum : Hardware
Topic : Bricked WRT54G what should I do?

I bought a JTAG setup a while back, to use on 3 bricked WRT54GS I had, and after they had been sitting on the shelf for several (5-6) months, they were mysteriously Un-Bricked..... I was able to go ahead and flash them to my surprise, and they now work great.


Never had to go the JTAG route...

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 Subject :Re:HSMM project pics.. 2013-12-16- 21:34:31 
W5LMM
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Location: Albuquerque, NM
 
Forum : Hardware
Topic : HSMM project pics

Sweet!!! Nice weatherproof box! Looks like you did a great job! I found that I needed to ventilate these boxes creatively to keep them weatherproof but also allow cooling because those amps get hot! You may not have an issue where you live, but in the desert southwest it is a problem in the summer.
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 Subject :Re:OLSR Switch on Windows works to connect directly to the mesh... 2013-12-16- 17:54:45 
W5LMM
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Location: Albuquerque, NM
 
Forum : Applications
Topic : OLSR Switch on Windows works to connect directly to the mesh.

I can't get it to work. Did you mean putting a static-ip on the computer? or forcing one on the node? Can you give me more information? Thanks!
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 Subject :Re:newbie needing help.. 2013-12-16- 11:56:50 
wx5u
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Location: Austin, TX
Forum : General
Topic : newbie needing help

Reset password with safe mode.

Installing software with tftp.  (Look near the bottom.)  It works better from a linux machine, but can be done with a Windoze machine.

When done, stick a label on the router and write the password on the label. 

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 Subject :Re:Re:VPN.. 2013-12-16- 08:10:10 
SM7I
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Location: JO65mo
 
Forum : Problems & Answers
Topic : VPN

A very quick way of checking that the tunnel is OK is by pinging the remote end pointopoint IP from your own node in CLI mode.


Ie, login to your node using SSH and issue the command 'ping x.x.x.x' without quotes and the x.x.x.x representing the remote end pointopoint IP.

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 Subject :Re:VPN.. 2013-12-16- 04:44:02 
VE3RRD
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Location: Barrie, Ontario
 
Forum : Problems & Answers
Topic : VPN

Hi Ron, here in Barrie we also started off using v1.0.0 firmware for GRE tunneling. And yes, if the tunnel comes up properly you should see the node names from the far end of the tunnel on your Mesh Status screen. Note that the "status: up" for tun1 on the OLSR screen doesn't mean that the tunnel is "operational". It only means that the tunnel (tun1) was configured properly in that node and the tunnel is capable of coming up. If the nodes at both ends of the tunnel show "status: up" but no nodes are displayed on the Mesh Status screen after 5 minutes; check your DynDNS account to see what was entered by the scripts when they were executed. You can enter an incorrect IP in DynDNS for each node and then reboot it, the IP should be corrected by the scripts when they are run.

Some other problems we experienced here in Barrie:

  1. The octal (chmod value) had not been set properly for the different script files. 
  2. The internet router had not been configured properly to pass port 1723 and to allow PPTP protocol 47 traffic. 
  3. Errors in properly entering the 2 new lines needed in crontabs/root. 
  4. Didn't reverse the two tunnel IP's in the ifconfig lines at the far end of the tunnel. 

Hope this info helps. 73

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 Subject :Re:VPN.. 2013-12-16- 01:06:47 
VA3RRZ
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Location: L'Orignal, Ontario, Canada
Forum : Problems & Answers
Topic : VPN

Great job Johan! Tunneling will really help us get the whole region out here up and running in no time. We have the routers to get us going. We will start from the extremes ends pf the region and work our way towards the centre, installing Wi-Fi nodes along the way. Our ARES group is really excited and it will also help us maintain the Ham band in the 2.4GHz. 73 de ron
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 Subject :Re:VPN.. 2013-12-15- 21:25:12 
SM7I
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Forum : Problems & Answers
Topic : VPN

Really nice to see that this function is spreading.


From being a very local solution between two locations in south of SM to be an international success :)


This idea really initiated between me and a fellow ham and as we had no RF path I started investigating the possibilities to set up some form of tunneling between us as a temporarily solution :)

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 Subject :Re:VPN / GRE tunneling.. 2013-12-15- 21:19:45 
SM7I
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Forum : Sweden/Finland
Topic : VPN / GRE tunneling

Hi,


Yes, that would be a possible solution, however I would like to see several gateways, at least one in each continent, that can share the hostsdatabase on a daily basis.


Also we would need to make sure we can squeeze the RIP function into the WRTs which is easier said than done.


I´m not really sure that this is within the scope of the original developers of HSMM/BBHN as they foresaw an independent network solution (this has somewhat been put aside when we started tunneling traffic), but it is an interesting approach nevertheless.


To make a long history as short as possible, the GRE development for HSMM was initiated by me and a fellow HAM in a neighboring city since we did not have any RF path between us.


So this GRE development was really only going to be a temporarily solution until we could make sure we had enough density of nodes to be able to reach eachother with RF.


Since then some other needs arose and now it seems like this is a very neat solution for bringing really remote locations together, such as city to city mesh networks.

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