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Subject :Re:Encryption Issue?..
2013-07-18- 06:15:37
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Encryption Issue?
If you read through a variety of the comments posted to the FCC, you will see this is a hot issue, and unfortunately is not an easy answer. The actual proposed ruling change deals STRICTLY with emergency situations and training for such. Unfortunately, most of the 80m ragchewers and DX-chasers who probably still use paper logs didnt get that fact and posted their blab accordingly. It is my hope that the FCC will recognize those facts and rule accordingly. Ive said it in private conversation, but Ill state my prediction here: Look at the recent past, where the ARRL "leadership" commented/filed AGAINST a possible FCC rule change/waiver/etc (Recon Robotics, BPL, etc); The FCC almost ALWAYS went the opposite way. So it is my prediction that this proposed change will go through! :-) Now, of course, Im a die hard Steeler fan, and every time I think they will win, well..... lol KTF
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Subject :Re:Re:Encryption Issue?..
2013-07-18- 05:52:10
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Thanks Jim!
I'm going to give the guy over at ARRL a shot first. Then I'll jump in to what I fear would be the nightmare of getting an answer from the FCC :)
[K5KTF 2013-07-18- 05:39:02]:
http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/proceeding/view?name=RM-11699 |
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Subject :Recover Hsmm-Mesh Password or reflash WRT54..
2013-07-18- 05:45:50
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Subject :Re:Encryption Issue?..
2013-07-18- 05:39:02
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http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/proceeding/view?name=RM-11699 |
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Subject :Re:Encryption Issue?..
2013-07-18- 05:18:32
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I think I've answered my own question. I'm going to contact Dan Henderson at ARRL. |
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Subject :Re:Re:Encryption Issue?..
2013-07-18- 05:08:49
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Encryption Issue?
Thank you for the reply, your point is taken. I wouldn't and do not expect software (or firmware) to inspect each packet for FCC compliance.
I do however feel that using COTS (commercial off the shelf) applications would be a strong enabler for HSMM to bring an influx of new license holders into the art. The most commonly used VoIP software that provides server software encrypts its transmission by default and cannot be turned off.
I'm open to be the guy that pursues the answer, though I'm not sure where to get started.
How do I go about finding and accessing a, "...duly appointed person, empowered to interpret the rules and regulations..." in order to get a solid answer on this issue?
[wx5u 2013-07-17- 22:54:28]:
Check the main page http://hsmm-mesh.org/ about legal information.
We don't debate encryption here.
HSMM sends whatever data you send through it. It doesn't check for FCC rules compliance.
If you want to use encryption, you do so at the risk of your own ham license.
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Subject :Re:Encryption Issue?..
2013-07-17- 22:54:28
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Encryption Issue?
Check the main page http://hsmm-mesh.org/ about legal information. We don't debate encryption here. HSMM sends whatever data you send through it. It doesn't check for FCC rules compliance. If you want to use encryption, you do so at the risk of your own ham license.
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I'm not part of the development team, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'm also easily confused.
Check out the free Wireless Networking Book |
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Subject :Re:Drop Box??..
2013-07-17- 18:54:33
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Drop Box??
Found info in another post about the Orbit sprinkler box.. So that answers that... |
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Subject :Drop Box??..
2013-07-17- 12:03:48
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Drop Box??
I like the idea of the drop box from the article of the same name. What boxes have people used for outdoor deployment? Any info on manufacturers and part numbers would be appreciated.
I have one node up in Gateway mode, and am planning on one at the top of the tower with a beam pointing at our local repeater site..
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Subject :Re:5.8 gHz channels anyone?..
2013-07-17- 01:31:11
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5.8 gHz channels anyone?
Yeah, I agree. In all outdoor mesh networks the biggest limiting factor is line of sight. And, since we typically don't all have towers we at least have the access to amplifiers. Maybe the functionality of selectable bands and multi-channel backbone links could be written into the firmware for some compatible dual band home AP/routers. But, you could hook a 2.4 router LAN port together with a 5.8 router LAN port and use the 5.8 channels. Just some ideas for a brainstorming session.
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Subject :Re:Welcome, Victorville, Adelanto, Hesperia and SBDO HSMM-MESH Users!..
2013-07-17- 00:41:48
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High Desert / San Bernardino County, CA
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Welcome, Victorville, Adelanto, Hesperia and SBDO HSMM-MESH Users!
Hi, again, Christy!
I took up the cause, once again, and now that I have a mast mounted to the chimney on my house I will be able to put a directional WiFi antenna up there above the roof.
I will try the 14dbi panel antenna first, and see how far away I can pull signals in reliably.
More to follow...
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Subject :Re:Encryption Issue?..
2013-07-16- 18:55:02
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Encryption Issue?
So 97.113 states:4)...messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein...
On the mumble server, the transmissions are encrypted yet anyone can join the chat without applying for access or a server password etc. This means that the transmission is not encoded to obscure. If it was then the attempt is all in vein. Now, if the server admin activated the private server options then I would see the argument that the control operator is intentionally obscuring. In the default configuration however, anyone with a HSMM node and a Mumble client can join the conversation just as they could jump into a rag chew on 2m. |
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Subject :Re:Encryption Issue?..
2013-07-16- 17:20:58
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Would you happen to have the exact reference? Maybe just the mesh connection needs to be unencrypted? |
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Subject :Re:Encryption Issue?..
2013-07-16- 17:11:20
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Encryption Issue?
IANAL but technically, yes... just as using HTTPS: would be too. |
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Subject :Re:WRT54G-RG help..
2013-07-16- 16:56:17
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WRT54G-RG help
Al,
These routers sound just like the T-Mobile version but for Rogers up there
in Canadia :); what we'd call WRT54G-TM which are relabeled WRT54GS's.
I'd recommended using the GS version of the firmware.
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Subject :Re:5.8 gHz channels anyone?..
2013-07-16- 16:51:50
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5.8 gHz channels anyone?
I believe that the biggest stopper for HSMM (both in 2.4G and higher bands) is the lack of real line of site between most of the hams. And if 2.4GHz can somehow accomodate some foliage, anything higher than that is very strict about having clear view. Moreover, because of higher signal attenuation, you can not really use the omnidirectional antennas on highter bands, so each link has to be point-to-point, which means, no random plug and play scenario possible, but that is the whole idea of the mesh. So provided every ham has access to a really tall tower and you can engineer the network, you can achieve a really beautiful net, otherwise, let's first get 2.4GHz running...
My 2 cents.
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Subject :Re:5.8 gHz channels anyone?..
2013-07-16- 13:28:25
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5.8 gHz channels anyone?
I see no one has replied. I am also interested in this idea. I have a business that focuses on installing 802.11ac routers. Just think if we could do 80-160 Mhz bandwidth at 1.3Gbps using hsmm-mesh. That is what I would like to pursue. Let me know your thoughts. De KD4GJM Bill. |
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Subject :Re:You can't find any WRT's?..
2013-07-16- 12:34:41
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You can't find any WRT's?
I received an email today that NewEgg has brand new units for sales, with a rebate the cost is in the $30's.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190
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Subject :Meshsite Broadcast..
2013-07-15- 16:26:07
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Subject :WRT54G-RG help..
2013-07-15- 15:45:50
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